😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-15 16:34:11
PSA so when someone says, "men are trash" they're using the word "men" to mean the patriarchy, toxic masculinity this is an example of metonymy. other examples of metonymy: saying "the pulpit" to refer to the church, "the church" to mean the actual mass of believers "the sword" to mean a life of violence "suit" instead of legally theiving murdering bastards ... and it's like an element of language everyone uses and is aware of, even w/o a name for it. "not all men" shits are just grasping for authority in a deliberate and childish way I actually knew what metonymy was b/c Lit. Major, but had failed to recognise "men are trash" as an example. Until it was pointed out to me. also, men are trash.
😊 A. Miles Davis @ 2019-04-15 17:56:08
You're right. It's simple linguistic shorthand in order to make sure not every sentence is a pedantic ramble-on, yep. Anyone harping on that is just trying to weasel out of some inner guilt for being trash to someone at some point or justifying what they do as not trash even though it is. Nobody's perfect. Accepting one makes mistakes and seeking to fix them is the best one can do. Anything less is trash.
😊 Whidou @ 2019-04-15 18:13:02
I don't really see a good reason to pick an unclear slogan prone to misunderstandings that can easily be interpreted as insulting over a clear message. Saying "Patriarchy is trash" is clearer and does not sound like an insult to half of mankind. Why not pick the later over the former? (Also, I'm not quite sure I follow the link with TTRPGs? Was there a new controversy of some sort?)
😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-15 18:39:28
because coddling the fragile temperaments of men is not the purpose of these "slogans". other than Bill Webb & FGG have received no real impairment from their reprehensible actions, nothing I know of importantly horrendous happening. this was prompted because this is useful information and because men are trash
😊 Whidou @ 2019-04-15 19:02:16
I do not believe that disrespecting people with gratuitous insults is an efficient way to get them to share your opinion. Why do you choose to spew hate instead of having a respectful conversation? Deliberately offending people is probably one of the worst ways to start a healthy debate.
😊 A. Miles Davis @ 2019-04-15 19:17:00
Tone policing bullshit and "both sides" rhetoric isn't a respectful conversation.
😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-15 20:17:13
alright whidou, don't comment on my posts going forward, please. I will block as soon as I am able.
😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-15 20:32:57
you're just not worth commynicating with
😊 Handy Haversack @ 2019-04-15 20:41:26
Good call on the metonymy, Evey.
😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-15 21:02:47
😊 Paolo Greco @ 2019-04-15 22:08:29
Online friendos, I love you all. And I do not like when you seem to head butt on misinterpretation and block each other because of it. I decided not to be a moderator on my platform. But I'm a big fan of charitable reading, and fixing stuff. I'm not necessarily good at it, but at least I try. I'm not trying to seek compromise. Just maybe to mediate positions? Evey, Whidou is not a native English speaker, and is from a continent that has a different kind of political discourse. Furthermore, rhetorical devices are ambiguous by design. When used in political statements are even more easily misinterpreted because you are mixing factual and rhetorical. Whidou, Evey is not spewing hate. She's discussing a rhetorical device. Probably I'm full of shit, but maybe there's a chance of having a better standard of conversation?
😊 Whidou @ 2019-04-15 22:40:14
I'm sorry if my tone came out as brash or provocative, that was not my intention. I'm genuinely intrigued as to why you would choose this slogan over a nicer one. Thank you Paolo for mediating this, and sorry for causing trouble.
😊 Ian Borchardt @ 2019-04-16 01:07:52
Yay Paolo!
😊 Bryan Mullins @ 2019-04-16 16:06:49
Speaking of successful mediation...when do we get the power to edit a thread that we author?
😊 Bryan Mullins @ 2019-04-16 16:23:39
Re choice of β€œslogans” in discourse. Not all rhetoric is meant to persuade. I believe the top post is intended to provoke reflection and because it offers no additional explanation or help with that...does not mean it is invalid. Are not worthy undertakings often laborious? Are you familiar with truth to power and punching up? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_truth_to_power https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Punch%20Up&amp=true&defid=7898216
😊 Dennis Higgins @ 2019-04-16 16:23:50
I can't speak for Evey, but I'd imagine a lifetime of patriarchial oppression and being fed the "you need to be nicer about your anger" line of crap in the face of it doing ABSOLUTELY nothing because the class in power doesn't respect them anyway leads one to not want to be nice anymore.
😊 Paolo Greco @ 2019-04-16 20:44:46
Everyone can already edit their own posts, and remove their own comments, and the comments in their posts.
😊 Ian Borchardt @ 2019-04-16 22:51:48
To me the original post definitely reads as being intentionally and unnecessarily combative. Not for the purpose of intentionally creating a fight, but rather for the author to test the waters for her personal safety. By making a very reactionary statement she is seeking to identify people that will automatically agree with her statement that she can see shares her social values, and to see which people rise to her bait and can be safely blocked. You either agree or you are the enemy. Particularly since the tone of the post is at quit at odds with all the other postings on lasagna.social to date. This is not to say there isn't a reason for the her anger or a need for her to toss a live grenade into the fishing pool to see what dead fish float to the surface in an unknown social media pool. But most people's reaction when they see a grenade tossed into a room is to leave the room through the nearest exit. The discomfort often having to do with the fact that it was a grenade, not what that grenade actually represents.
😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-17 04:01:43
I already explained the point of the post, useful information. but reading my words might have dampened your attempt to mansplain my own fucking actions itt. in part "men are trash" is an expression of rage for the constant emotional labor of managing men's reactions. this is amongst a fucking avalanche of myriad and perpetual inequities. it has nothing to do with your feelings. this is not about you. except of course it is about you, @Ian Bochardt, acting exactly like trash. go fuck a rock salt dildo it's actually pretty simple, if men are trash offends you; you're almost definitely the trash we're done with. outtie 5k
😊 Evey Lockhart @ 2019-04-17 04:04:14
you guys forgot to tell me to smile daddies itt much love 2 tears in a bucket, mother fuck it
😊 Donald Welsh @ 2019-04-17 05:50:34
Welcome to Lasagna, Evey. Maintain your rage.

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