My copy of Silent Titans has just been delivered. Flicking through, 1. it looks really good. Thinner than I expected, which is no bad thing, given how reluctant I am to read anything non-essential these days. 2. I see that the OSR has far surpassed the original TSR and Judge's Guild publications in obscurity and circularity of reference: "Bastion, the city to which the Lord of Wir-Heal pays homage, occasionally sends 'officials', criminals or randoms... Check Chris McDowall's book 'Electric Bastionland' or, alternately, an early edition of 'Into the Odd' to find out more." heh. "an early edition." Suck that, future gaming archaeologists.
😊 Paolo Greco @ 2019-05-13 23:02:00
Patrick abjured me so it's weird that he mentioned anything to do with me.
😊 Richard G @ 2019-05-13 23:16:59
He’s an oddly prickly character and, I guess, dealing with his own hurt. It’s curious to me, how much the graphic design of Titans looks like Blue Medusa or RPL.
😊 Alex Schroeder @ 2019-05-15 06:40:23
Hah, I had the same thoughts: visuals (superficially), the rΓ©fΓ©rences to other products. Rolled my eyes a bit. πŸ™„
😊 Paolo Greco @ 2019-05-15 08:08:34
Why the eye rolling?
😊 Alex Schroeder @ 2019-05-15 18:19:04
It wasn't a strong feeling I had, just a heh and one eye roll, I guess. Somebody writes a game using the rules somebody else has published, go buy those, or the free older edition, and here's and interview I did with them, and I read it, too, but at the same time I sighed a bit and couldn't decide whether this was people patting each other on the back for a job well done inside the very product this well done job had produced, or an instance of one hand washing the other, as we say in German, so anyway, I asked myself: what is this? Is this an ad? Is this a cooperation? And I felt that as an editor, I would have cut it. As for the art, I'll start with me really liking the map in A Red and Pleasant Land, the squares, the inking, the slight abstraction away from fantasy realism we've seen in D&D, away from the retro line art we've seen in the OSR, something new, colourful, somehow familiar and yet unknowable. I guess I'm not an art critic and fear I lack the words and the sensitivities but anyway, Maze of the Blue Medusa went a bit further in this direction, more abstract, less something I can just show players and say "you see this!" and more something that conveys a mood, a mental confusion, a state that is perhaps a bit like the altered state of the mystical underworld, I guess the Medusa dungeon in Vornheim was a bit like that, and I didn't even look too much at Frostbitten & Mutilated, so then I leafed through Silent Titans and felt that it was even more abstract, even less usable, less showable, nothing I could look at and interpret as a map, or an image of creature, or a location, but a jumble of things that provide an emotional reaction, a jumble of something, a weirdness, and I don't deny that it fascinates me, but at the same time it's also a bit in that line of art I like less, that I find less useful for a product that I don't just buy to be entertained but to aid me at the table, to be useful in a very specific way. So perhaps then the question is: what is the purpose of art in an RPG product? It's about pleasing the buyer, the reader. I have bought something beautiful, they say. And Silent Titans delivers. But I sort of dread the moment at the table. Is this something I can run at the table, as is? And I roll my eyes, a tiny little bit.
😊 Alex Schroeder @ 2019-05-15 18:38:01
I guess this is all also in the context of an early post I had written on Diaspora: as I’m trying to read Silent Titans every now and then, I sigh as I realize that my brain is probably too puny and my imagination too boring for this. Feeling overwhelmed and unsure whether I can make use of this at the table. What OSR PRG product have you actually bought and used and liked using at the table? Even Stonehell has a lot of text for my taste. I guess Castle of the Mad Arch Mage worked pretty well for more than fifty sessions. I should write more of my own instead of complaining, hah!
😊 Richard G @ 2019-05-15 21:39:51
_I should write more of my own instead of complaining_ A well-formed complaint is a critical stage in addressing a problem. I’m in favour of them!
😊 Alex Schroeder @ 2019-05-19 08:32:01
I just read a very interesting blog post about Silent Titans:

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